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American Women vs. Foreign Women

I was sitting in a bar in Brooklyn’s Brooklyn Heights neighborhood. Next to me was a good friend who I originally met in a Rio de Janeiro hostel on my first week there. By pure coincidence he also ended up being from New York. He immediately became a close friend and a loyal partner in crime as we pillaged the streets of Rio de Janeiro in search of love and adventure.

While it’s been a while since we saw each other, he seemed to have comfortably adapted back to his former life. After returning to America, he quickly acclimated to his former environment. His American game was also sharp, after I noticed him effortlessly chatting up a girl at the bar just minutes before.

We ordered more beers.

“My man, it’s been a long time. It’s great to see you again,” he smiled.

“It sure has been a while. Great to see you as well, man.”

“So, what have you been up to?”

“I’ve been colonizing Europe one woman at a time. Just spent two years there living in various countries. Having an absolute blast.”

“So, what are European women like?”

“Very different from American women,” I paused, trying to come up with the right words.

“They’re more interesting, more sophisticated, more polished.”

Polished. Now that’s a proper adjective.

“Interesting,” he replied.

“Yeah, I really like Europe. It seems to fit my personality perfectly. It’s different from Latin America in many ways, it’s a bit hard to explain.”

“How? In what ways are the women there different from American?” As a serial seducer, his barometer for a culture always started out with its women.

“It’s a complicated question.” I paused. I spent lots and lots of time pondering about this and now needed to synthesize all this information and come up with the right answer.

“The fundamental difference between American and foreign women is that American women aren’t interested in you as you; they see you an object that can do something for them. They see you as a sexless commodity, an image, a gateway, a stepping stone to something else, something bigger.”

“But, in, let’s say, Eastern Europe a woman sees you as a man. A confident, testosterone-laden man who’s ready to conquer the world. That’s enough for her. The buck stops there. She doesn’t need anything beyond the mass of bones and muscles that’s in front of her.”

He listened patiently.

“Remember how it was in Brazil where we could easily tell if a woman was interested or not? Brazilian women didn’t mess around. She was either into you or not.”

“Yeah, that’s what I really loved that about Brazilian women. No bullshit. No wasting time. Just straight down to business.”

“Yeah, it’s like that in Europe. Maybe not as intense, but the underlying game is very similar.”

“Think about this. Think about how American game is built around conversation, endless conversation about all kinds of random topics, most topics that are completely pointless and never lead to anywhere, with the hope that eventually the girl will become into you—that is if nothing else catches her attention in the meantime.”

“Hmm, yeah, I never thought about it, but I can see that. I just never compared the two sides like this,” he smiled, looking amazed.

“Well, I did spend a lot of time thinking about this. And after lots of traveling and lots of talking to different women from different countries, things slowly began to come together. It’s like my brain was gradually piecing together a massive jigsaw puzzle.”

“So, in Brazil, you don’t talk for hours and hours. You approach, and within five or ten minutes you can usually tell if the girl is into you. If you’re that clueless, she’ll make it obvious by leaving. And if she’s not into you, no amount of conversation can change that: she’s just not feeling you.”

“However, in America, the cornerstone of game is endless talking. I’ve been in situations where a cute girl wasn’t initially interested, but after lots of bantering, she slowly turned 180 degrees and we ended up going home together.”

“Haha, yeah, that has happened to me on more than one occasion,” he exclaimed, grinning ear to ear.

“That’s because the American woman doesn’t have enough emotional intelligence to decide right away if she’s into you or not. She doesn’t consider herself as a woman nor views you as a man. As far as she’s concerned, both of you are fully equal, sexless and genderless beings. Everything that makes her feminine is stripped out; everything that makes you masculine is stripped out. There’s no masculine-feminine polarity. Nevertheless, if throughout the conversation, you can prove that you’re in some way valuable to her, you might trigger some connectors in her reptilian brain into feeling attracted to you. As you can imagine, it’s hardly a seamless process. With foreign women, you don’t need to do all that.”

“With foreign women there’s a strong masculine-feminine polarity, so the woman either sees you as a confident man she wants to fuck and, who, in turn, wants to fuck her, or she doesn’t. It’s all a consequence of culture. They value masculinity much more over there and will therefore reward you highly for wanting to fuck her brains out. Not in America, where…,” and I looked around the hipster bar brimming with feminine men and masculine women to demonstrate my point, “…women don’t value masculinity at all.”

“But since all that gender polarity missing in America, you have to compensate it with endless talking and bullshit, which is really strange because a man should be judged by his actions and not whether he’s able to talk for hours straight about mindless topics. What happened to the strong and silent type? That’s a real man, after all.”

“Man, you’re like some seduction scientist. That’s some interesting stuff,” my friend snickered. “It makes sense, though.”

“I can’t wait to get back to Europe. I’m going crazy here,” I’ve only been back to America for a month, but already couldn’t wait to get the hell out.

“Yeah, I’ll probably make my way over there soon. Just need to get my business off the ground. After that I’m on the next plane out. I’m sure we’ll cross paths again. America is great for business, but severely lacking in pretty much all other departments,” my friend remarked, while looking straight ahead and sipping his beer.

25 Comments

  1. I have some friends back in California who do pretty well with women, but push for sex pretty early and often to filter the endless banterers and time wasters. Even though they get laid regularly, they’re missing out on the femininity and polarity that you describe. I’ll take one feminine girl over 100 androgynes.

  2. You have to consider the fact that outside in ‘foreign’ countries, you’re a foreigner yourself, and thus a different light shines on you and your ‘game’. As an European I can tell you I fit the stereotyped US woman you just described, and honestly most European women I know are like that as well. The key is how they react to FOREIGNERS.
    Just ask any Mexican man – they’re all crazy for American women because a) they’re white and b) according to them, the easiest thing to chat up. Because they’re in travelling mode, and Mexican men come across as exotic. The same applies to Latin women towards American men – they’re considered as a trophy and thus being with them it’s its own reward.
    In another ‘article’ of yours you mentioned how easy Finnish women were – but just ask any Finnish men, and they’ll immediately complain about how frigid they are.
    You yourself are a victim of this, ostracizing your own and being attracted to the exotic. So you’re NOT a ‘game scientist’ at all, as you didn’t consider ALL variables before making your decision!

    • He is right about how majority of American women, in general, value you more as a means to an end rather than the end itself. But also itust be noted that Latin girls and Russians who move here they also adapt that mentality quickly… he is over generalizing here quite a bit but he does make some valid points. I’m from ex soviet republic myself living in Charlotte and Atlanta, and even though I have encountered my share of materialistic and “non-feminine” women here who are looking fot what they can get out of you, they are plenty that just want you for you. And when it comes to ” game” I subscribe to the philosophy of batting averages. The more you swing the more you hit; no need to talk endlessly to women.

    • For the pleasure of reading this, and actually mentally stimulating your imagination, let us NOT debate and choose a white or black area here !!!!!

  3. I will add one more thing here: I used to study in college in Ny where 30% of student body were Russians; I speak Russian and I did quite well there; also I tend to get along better with Eastern Europeans better ( Czech, polish, etc) simply because we just ” get” each other… simple, down to earth conversations that flow effortlessly… No feeling that you need to ” game ” them. ( some are prudes, but for the most part it’s been true for me )

    Also another little observation based on my experiences: Midwestern girls seem to be more receptive zoned down to earth ( mn, Wisconsin, Ohio, etc…) simple girls..

    • Yeah, EE girls value a man for being a man. That is until they come to the US.

      • I mean it really comes down to this: if we are dealing with a woman who is not feminine or anorgasmic or asexual or whatever you want to call it, it’s going to be futile to charm or seduce her with your testosterone laden masculinity and sexuality, but rather, just mention your status or you material possessions then get her a nice 2 karat ring so she feels valued and you can be as beta as it gets and you can have her – sad!

        My Chilean friend who is a natural born ” lady killer” had immense success with European women but could not bang an American to save his life. Maybe a few here and there but Germans, Russians, etc were all over him cause he was ready to fk them good and give them his masculine energy … I would always laugh at him about how perplexed he was when American chicks would return his calls or SMS” after meeting them at bars… Eventually he got the point. Now he is I Miami and doing pretty well.

        Plus living in the Bible Belt makes things even harder and twisted.

  4. FranklySlavic

    May 6, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    I’d say Western women value masculinity excessively. They just view it as a status symbol rather than biology, and are angry that men have as much of it as them let aloe more, so they try and compete, thinking the back and forth turns you on as much as it does them. They measure you up as a man based on whether she thinks she can out-man you. Sadly for most Western men, as with your example of the hipsters, Western women often out-man then.

    • I’ve seen some masculine women that can outman even the most masculine men.

    • This is a good thought. Western women value masculinity in that they resent not having it. I think masculine men can still do well, but many women are so broken as to be unable to participate in male/female polarity, because they themselves are unfeminine. As maligned as masculinity has been, it still exists in the West, though femininity is almost extinct.

  5. I think you’re romanticizing things a little too much. I am a Brazilian girl who has lived in America for 6 years and now live in Europe and have read your posts about how Brazilian girls are passionate and bla bla bla…this is, until they realize you have less money than their dads. What they really want is a guy who will pay their bills, give them a maid, a nanny and a cook and since you’re the “gringo”, they believe you have some money or passport status to offer. The same goes for desperate eastern european girls dying to go to a better country (they’re all obssessed with America) but would also accept countries as Germany or England. So as a girl who has travelled, lived away from home for 10 years and knows MANY other girls I tell you: American woman may be superficial, annoying, silly and so on but they (along with Western Europan girls) are the ones less worried about your money.

  6. American country-western bars might draw a more sexually-polarized group than metrosexual bars. Men tend to be masculine and women feminine. Even if some young women are rude to men, there are plenty of other women who won’t be affected by the rudeness of some–rejections tend to be non-nuclear, based on my experience.

  7. The New Century Man

    May 8, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    This is a smart dude.

  8. I’ve never personally met a woman like the kind you’re talking about, but I’ve grown up in the South my whole life — Mobile, Alabama, Conway, South Carolina, Savannah, Georgia, now Atlanta. I’ve never been to NYC simply because I’ve never had the desire to go. I hear about the women up there, it matches your description. In the South where I have lived most of my life I’ve never seen any woman act like that before. If you don’t know how to fish, hunt, drive offroad, and value a masculine hobby such as wood working or sports (I do MMA) then you’re not very attractive. Even the very hipster-type chicks I dated in Savannah don’t want to mess with you if you don’t act like a man.

  9. interesting that European women can still find some masculinity in a N American man. And if the endless banter in America bothers you, how about the endless pouting, testing and ‘trantrums’ among Europeans? Foreigners don’t know what happens within cultures.

  10. Maverick – your article is complete bullshit! I am a stereotypical sexy woman with long hair, long legs, small waist, nice ass & chest who happens to be from Midwestern US and loves to get laid just as much as any foreign woman, maybe more. What you might interpret as ‘endless talk and bullshit’ might actually be that the woman you are attempting to seduce is trying to determine if you are actually worth anything outside of having sex. Based on your flawed opinion that you seek to publicize, it doesn’t sound like you are. Please leave the US as quickly as possible to fuck the girls without a brain, Cave Boy. Leave the intelligent, sexy women here in America to the real men.

    • I actually agree with Annie. I’m seemingly developing a relationship with a Brazilian and will be in Sao Paulo in a few months. I’m American and live in Atlanta and this will be my 2nd time involved with a Latina (previous was Dominican). I started reading this for helpful insight about my situation but quickly discovered that this is bullshit. Perhaps what you describe does work for you but I guess what you want is far different from what I want. Your focus on wanting to “bang” woman is the problem. Going around having sex with as many women as possible does not make you a man. Actually being loyal to one woman and being a faithful provider and great father is what makes you a man. Certainly you can find women who simply want you to sleep with them. But those types of women are not woman that I personality want. So far my Brazilian friend has only shown me that she is very feminine, sweet, caring, and loyal. And my goal is to treat her like a queen. I don’t want to “fuck her”. I’d rather for us to make love and I’m won’t pressure her to get it. It will come because I’m doing everything else right. Sex is the byproduct of a great relationship not the purpose of it. It just seems to me that you have a lot of growing up to do.

  11. I love this. Although I do consider myself a feminist, women in today’s American culture feel the need to be masculine to prove a point. You can be a strong, independent women while being feminine! And at the same time the masculine dikey feminist are just contradicting themselves because they’re actions are saying that the only way to be successful is to be masculine! So untrue.

  12. Any thoughts on or experience with Middle Eastern women – the liberated ones from Lebanon and North Africa?

  13. Indeed, foreign women are simple and easier to connect and get along than American women do.

    I know from my experience.

    I have been good friends with a Colombian woman for almost 7 years.

    There is an American woman I like and want to have a friendship at my job. But, she is probably not interested. I am not worried though…her loss.

    I am planning to marry a foreign woman someday. If I can find an American woman who is simple, easygoing, and willing to accept me for who I am, then I may choose to marry her instead.

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